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	<title>Comments on: The &#8220;Thummer&#8221; is a legitimate controller design.</title>
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	<description>Analogue Heaven is poison. We are the antidote. XD</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jim Plamondon</title>
		<link>http://www.deviantsynth.com/2008/06/01/the-thummer-is-a-legitimate-controller-design/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Plamondon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You advice is right on: "start small. Manufacture a boutique version, get some user feedback. Build the business up slowly, because, trust me, it is the only way."

That's exactly right. One has to keep overheads super-low while the product climbs up out of the Long Tail into the mainstream. However, that climb can happen a lot faster than it used to, so long as the product is truly "remarkable," offering extraordinary value at a low price.

As some commenters have noted, the key "price" in music-making is TIME. Learning time and practice time dominate the equation. If the Thummer (and ThumMusic System) prove to deliver an equivalent amount of musical knowledge &#38; skill in (say) a third the time or less, while providing greater expressive potential and opening new musical frontiers, then it's got a very good chance of going viral.  Its unique ability to support Dynamic Tonality and other truly novel yet traditional-sounding effects is important in this, given the music induatry's insatiable desire for music that is novel...but not TOO novel.

Also, Thumtronics' innovations lend themselves to a line of products designed for very young children. If we capture the headwaters, then the stream's momentum works in our favor (albeit on a generational time scale).

As to Thumtronics' hyperbole -- it ain't hype if it's true. Big changes can happen fast if the conditions are right. The success of Guitar Hero suggests that the non-musical public is eager to experience music-making, if the time-cost can be reduced sufficiently.

Watch this space.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You advice is right on: &#8220;start small. Manufacture a boutique version, get some user feedback. Build the business up slowly, because, trust me, it is the only way.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly right. One has to keep overheads super-low while the product climbs up out of the Long Tail into the mainstream. However, that climb can happen a lot faster than it used to, so long as the product is truly &#8220;remarkable,&#8221; offering extraordinary value at a low price.</p>
<p>As some commenters have noted, the key &#8220;price&#8221; in music-making is TIME. Learning time and practice time dominate the equation. If the Thummer (and ThumMusic System) prove to deliver an equivalent amount of musical knowledge &amp; skill in (say) a third the time or less, while providing greater expressive potential and opening new musical frontiers, then it&#8217;s got a very good chance of going viral.  Its unique ability to support Dynamic Tonality and other truly novel yet traditional-sounding effects is important in this, given the music induatry&#8217;s insatiable desire for music that is novel&#8230;but not TOO novel.</p>
<p>Also, Thumtronics&#8217; innovations lend themselves to a line of products designed for very young children. If we capture the headwaters, then the stream&#8217;s momentum works in our favor (albeit on a generational time scale).</p>
<p>As to Thumtronics&#8217; hyperbole &#8212; it ain&#8217;t hype if it&#8217;s true. Big changes can happen fast if the conditions are right. The success of Guitar Hero suggests that the non-musical public is eager to experience music-making, if the time-cost can be reduced sufficiently.</p>
<p>Watch this space.  <img src='http://www.deviantsynth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: oldgravity</title>
		<link>http://www.deviantsynth.com/2008/06/01/the-thummer-is-a-legitimate-controller-design/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>oldgravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I see 2 things wrong with that: first, the Tenori-on isn't a clone of the Monome. It is a big grid of buttons, but that's really where the similarity ends; the Monome needs software to do its thing, and what it does is completely up to the user. In comparison, the Tenori-on is a $1200 version of Elektroplankton (even designed by the same guy) - a fun little toy, but not an instrument.

Secondly, I don't think Ken or anyone else would mind if some big manufacturer came along and made a mass-produced thummer - in fact, that's what Jim Plamondon's been trying to do with no success. Kenis just doing this in the absence of a mass-produced device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I see 2 things wrong with that: first, the Tenori-on isn&#8217;t a clone of the Monome. It is a big grid of buttons, but that&#8217;s really where the similarity ends; the Monome needs software to do its thing, and what it does is completely up to the user. In comparison, the Tenori-on is a $1200 version of Elektroplankton (even designed by the same guy) - a fun little toy, but not an instrument.</p>
<p>Secondly, I don&#8217;t think Ken or anyone else would mind if some big manufacturer came along and made a mass-produced thummer - in fact, that&#8217;s what Jim Plamondon&#8217;s been trying to do with no success. Kenis just doing this in the absence of a mass-produced device.</p>
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		<title>By: St.Eligius</title>
		<link>http://www.deviantsynth.com/2008/06/01/the-thummer-is-a-legitimate-controller-design/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>St.Eligius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good example of starting small with a good group of hard core fanatics is the Monome project. Problem is, in comes major manufacturer with a clone (TENORI-ON from Yamaha).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good example of starting small with a good group of hard core fanatics is the Monome project. Problem is, in comes major manufacturer with a clone (TENORI-ON from Yamaha).</p>
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		<title>By: MusicScienceGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.deviantsynth.com/2008/06/01/the-thummer-is-a-legitimate-controller-design/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>MusicScienceGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the plug, oldgravity! 
 
Yes, I'm making conversion keys to convert a Standard Design (SD) keyboard into a 3-row general-purpose (GP) mutable design, &lt;I&gt;relatively cheaply&lt;/i&gt;. By folding the GP kbd over or using 2 keyboards, one can get 6 rows. 
By reprogramming the note assignments and chosing your own shapes for the key-caps, a GP Keyboard starts to get interesting. 

E.g., in DIYKeyBoard.org we are wondering just how close we can get to the gains promised by Fixx's Law (see wikipedia) of a factor of &lt;i&gt;3-4 faster&lt;/i&gt; playing speed with a jammer or c-thru layout. There are also neat things hinted at in moving the pitch-bend and mod controls to make them actually useful. 

The catch? The conversion kits are likely to be expensive at first: &lt;b&gt;"Cheap" = $200&lt;/b&gt;, plus you must supply your own keyboard(s) to convert. Music = money.

Ken, MusicScienceGuy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the plug, oldgravity! </p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m making conversion keys to convert a Standard Design (SD) keyboard into a 3-row general-purpose (GP) mutable design, <i>relatively cheaply</i>. By folding the GP kbd over or using 2 keyboards, one can get 6 rows.<br />
By reprogramming the note assignments and chosing your own shapes for the key-caps, a GP Keyboard starts to get interesting. </p>
<p>E.g., in DIYKeyBoard.org we are wondering just how close we can get to the gains promised by Fixx&#8217;s Law (see wikipedia) of a factor of <i>3-4 faster</i> playing speed with a jammer or c-thru layout. There are also neat things hinted at in moving the pitch-bend and mod controls to make them actually useful. </p>
<p>The catch? The conversion kits are likely to be expensive at first: <b>&#8220;Cheap&#8221; = $200</b>, plus you must supply your own keyboard(s) to convert. Music = money.</p>
<p>Ken, MusicScienceGuy.</p>
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		<title>By: oldgravity</title>
		<link>http://www.deviantsynth.com/2008/06/01/the-thummer-is-a-legitimate-controller-design/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>oldgravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he has made a mistake in trumping up his controller as if it is the most revolutionary musical invention in the last 100 years. It is a cool controller, and I would buy one if he could ever get them manufactured, but the hyperbole turns people off, I think. Check out his blog for info on "dynamic tonality" - it is really amazing.

This guy is making kits to make a controller very much like the Thummer, and they will actually be available this summer.

http://musicscienceguy.vox.com/library/posts/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he has made a mistake in trumping up his controller as if it is the most revolutionary musical invention in the last 100 years. It is a cool controller, and I would buy one if he could ever get them manufactured, but the hyperbole turns people off, I think. Check out his blog for info on &#8220;dynamic tonality&#8221; - it is really amazing.</p>
<p>This guy is making kits to make a controller very much like the Thummer, and they will actually be available this summer.</p>
<p><a href="http://musicscienceguy.vox.com/library/posts/" rel="nofollow">http://musicscienceguy.vox.com/library/posts/</a></p>
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